Office Drama

How do you go from a self-described “nobody PM” to becoming one of the most talked-about product managers in Silicon Valley?Holly Li’s career is kind of insane. She started at Google, bought a one-way ticket to San Francisco and convinced the team at Adept to create a PM role for her, became the founding PM of Figma Make, and is now building at OpenAI, where she famously launched Dots at OpenAI’s Dev Day.In this ep, we talk about:→ how Holly became one of the hottest PMs in tech→ how she landed PM roles in AI→ how she became the founding PM of Figma Make just weeks after joining→ what the OpenAI interview process is actually like→ what most candidates get wrong in interviews→ what happened at her live demo during OpenAI Dev Day→ how to become a better presenter on stage→ why AI needs more women, creative people, and people with taste→ what is Dots?→ how Dots differentiates itself in the current “AI assistant race”→ Find Holly on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/hollyli2018Submit your Coworker Confessions…

We’ve spent decades making everything faster, easier, and more convenient, but what if we optimized away some of the things that actually make us human?Srinija Srinivasan is basically a founding mother of the internet. She was employee #5 at Yahoo, spent 15 years there as Editor-in-Chief and VP, helped shape how the early internet was organized, chaired the board of SFJAZZ, served on Stanford’s Board of Trustees, and later co-founded Loove, bringing technology and the arts together. And now, she’s building an entirely new kind of college.In this ep, we talk about:→ what it was really like helping build Yahoo! in the early internet→ what makes the best business partnerships actually work→ why imagination, creativity, and curiosity matter even more in the age of AI→ why art is so hard to make money from→ the human cost of optimizing everything for efficiency→ why convenience might be the wrong North Star for technology→ how we can build technology that makes us more humanSubmit your Coworker Confessions…

okay I need you to understand that this episode genuinely changed me 🥹✨Deb Liu is one of the most decorated women in tech. She spent 12 years at Facebook where she founded Facebook Marketplace, rose to VP, and then became CEO of Ancestry.com. She has 4 million+ views on her Substack, she's a board member of Poshmark and Intuit. She is simply built different!In this episode we get into:→ how Facebook Marketplace launched and immediately got a New York Times headline about drugs, guns, and baby hedgehogs 💀→ the invisible rules of power and influence that nobody tells you before you walk into a room→ if work feels misaligned you might just need to be repotted 🪴→ how to hold high standards as a leader without traumatizing everyone around you→ when to persist, pivot, or quit (and why quitting is actually the first chapter of her new book)→ why ambition without joy becomes brittlethis is the episode I have been wanting to make since I started Office Drama. Deb is one of those people who has an answer for every…

Thank You to Our Sponsor!✹ Granola: your AI notepad for meetings → https://granola.ai/officedramaEllie Rui got promoted every single year of her career. Six years at Microsoft, from new grad PM to Principal, and now she's a beloved senior PM at Netflix. Her answer for how is simpler than you’d think: hard work doesn't paint the full picture. We get into what actually drives fast career growth, how one great manager changed the trajectory of her entire career, and how the PM landscape is changing faster than ever.In this ep, we talk about:→ how she got promoted every single year for six years→ what a great manager actually does for your career→ what separates junior, senior, and principal PMs→ whether AI will actually replace PMs→ why new grads should pick startups over big tech right now→ and how to be likeable at work!→ Find Ellie on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ellierui/Submit your Coworker Confessions 👇https://bit.ly/coworker-confessionsIf you like what you hear please follow, rate 5 stars on…

Creators got CANCELED for attending an AI brand trip...and we're finally addressing it. 🫣Today, I have the privilege of hosting Megan Lieu (data science + tech creator) on Office Drama to uncover what really went down on that trip and what it was actually like as a creator "getting canceled".I've worked professionally in Trust & Safety. I'm passionate about tech ethics, creator industries, and how we all should work together. And I really hope we can actually have constructive conversations on this platform that may push cultural, product, and policy changes for the better.It's very daunting as a female creator to address a situation like this, so I hope we can show up with empathy, curiosity, and constructive dialogue together. 🫶 Thank you for always making me feel safe to speak up.In this ep, we talk about:→ what actually happened on the brand trip→ the video Megan posted and the moment she realized it was going sideways→ how the press reaches out when they already know the angle they want→ why this trip…

Thank You to Our Sponsors!✹ Storyblocks: unlimited stock footage, music, and SFX for creators → https://storyblocks.com/officedrama✹ Quince: high quality essentials, radically low prices → https://quince.com/officedrama✹ Granola: your AI notepad for meetings → https://granola.ai/officedramaDuolingo has become one of the most recognizable brands on the internet, but what does it *actually* take for a language-learning app to become a cultural phenomenon?Katherine “Kat” Chan, Sr. Director of Marketing at Duolingo, has spent her career at the intersection of tech, culture, and creativity. Before helping turn Duo into the internet’s favorite unhinged owl, she worked at Red Bull, Tesla and Facebook, alongside some of the biggest names in tech like Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg.And despite all of that, Kat has almost no digital footprint. She rarely does interviews, which made this a very rare chance to unpack how she actually thinks about creativity, taste, ambition, and building brands people genuinely care…

Half of 2026 is officially over... and I've never felt this behind in my career. 😅In today's episode of Office Drama, I'm doing my mid-year review out loud: what went wrong, what I'm scared of, and the 6 commitments I'm making so December-me doesn't have to go through the same existential disappointment.Today, we talk about:→ Why I felt so behind at the half-year mark of 2026→ The motherhood penalty: how does it impact your career? 👀→ A mutual creator who lost 10,000 followers overnight after announcing her pregnancy→ "Would you rather be pregnant or successful?" and why I don't want to choose!→ My 6 commitments I want us to try for the rest of 2026 Submit your Coworker Confessions 👇https://bit.ly/coworker-confessionsIf you like what you hear please follow, rate 5 stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts ⭐️ and leave a comment!𝙎𝙊𝘾𝙄𝘼𝙇𝙎 🌸instagram → https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/OD instagram → https://www.instagram.com/officedrama.pod/tiktok → https://www.tiktok.com/@chloeshihthreads →…

Thank You to Our Sponsors!✹ Storyblocks: unlimited stock footage, music, and SFX for creators → https://storyblocks.com/officedramaWe've heard time and time again about the burnt out tech employee who quits a stable job to chase the dream. This time we're exploring the reverse!Daniel "Tafo" Lee has lived more careers than I can count on two hands. JPL engineer, coach to Melee god Mang0, Yahoo Esports show host, CLG General Manager, the internet's Tetris teacher, Web3 economist, Andreessen Horowitz, and now, at 37, starting over in big tech. He's no stranger to the creator economy and his honest take on who should actually pursue it might save you five years of your life.In this ep, we talk about:→ how he coached a Melee god while working full time at NASA JPL→ the ultimatum from his wife that finally made him quit and move to Esports→ why 90% of streamers won't make it, and why minimum wage might be the better option→ betting on yourself at 37: relearning how to code from scratch in the AI era→ and how…

Nobody tells you that when you get cast on MasterChef, you get to choose three people to fly out as your friends and family. Jaime ( @igumdrop ) chose Aria ( @AriaSaki ) , Kimi ( @AngelsKimi ) and I, and we spent a week on set with NO phones, 7AM call times, and a front-row seat to watching her cook on the biggest stage of her life.In this ep, we talk about:→ why Jaime almost went alone→ the mandolin accident that didn't make it to air→ what Gordon Ramsay is ACTUALLY like→ the moment Aria destroyed a MasterChef contestant→ what traditional TV gets right that creators don't→ why chasing perfection as a creator isn't sustainable→ the narratives that get rewritten about women in gaming and streaming→ Find Jaime:https://www.youtube.com/@igumdrophttps://www.twitch.tv/igumdrophttps://www.instagram.com/igumdrop/https://www.tiktok.com/@igumdrop→ Find Aria:https://www.youtube.com/@AriaSakihttps://www.twitch.tv/ariasakihttps://www.instagram.com/ariasaki/https://www.tiktok.com/@ariasaki→ Find…

Over the past decade, Jaime (@iGumdrop) has built a 2M+ following, founded her own successful clothing brand, dropped out of college to pursue streaming, and now she's on the cast of Season 16 of MasterChef!In this week's episode of Office Drama, we get into the version of the story you don't see on TV.In this ep, we talk about:→ why she almost said no to MasterChef→ what it's like to be on the cast of MasterChef→ the insane reality TV background check nobody warns you about→ what Gordon Ramsay is ACTUALLY like in person→ the roti canai controversy→ the truth about agents, managers, and the people you work with as a creator→ why "the interview never matters" and what she actually hires on→ how she skipped the 5-year plan and went straight to a deathbed planThis episode is for anyone who's ever been underestimated, boxed into one version of themselves, or scared to take the leap because they might look like a fool. Jaime is one of the most earnest, chaotic, hilarious people I know, and watching her bet on…

Rosie Nguyen is the Head of Creators at Suno, the world's leading AI music company. Before that she co-founded Fanhouse, joined Cantina, and went viral more times than I can count. She's bright, passionate, and comes into this episode with so many wild stories and experiences.In this ep, we talk about:→ growing up on food stamps and supporting immigrant parents→ getting demoted at her own company, then watching it get sold behind her back→ the phone call that saved her life→ going viral again and again and the attention that brings online→ why her current era makes her prouder than raising $20 million ever didThis one is for anyone who's ever been underestimated, flattened into one dimension, or had to rebuild from zero. Rosie is one of the most earnest and hilarious people I know, and this convo originally went almost THREE hours.→ Find Rosie on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasminericegirl/Submit your Coworker Confessions 👇https://bit.ly/coworker-confessionsIf you like what you hear please follow,…

Sophia is one of my best friends, the officiant of my wedding, and one of the most cracked marketers I know. She's led campaigns at Airbnb, Databricks, and ElevenLabs. She won Best Dance Film at the LA Film Awards. She's also going through her biggest plot twist yet: leaving tech to pursue her art. Full time. For good. 🙂‍↕️In this episode, we talk about:→ why AI will never replace storytelling, taste, and human connection→ her honest take on the job market, what 20-somethings are getting wrong, and what a great interview actually looks like→ how she faced being belittled in by an interim CMO who said they need someone "more senior" when she led the campaign all alongThis one is for anyone who has done everything right and still felt like they were playing it too safe. Sophia is the most elegant proof I know that the pivot you're scared of might be the one you were always supposed to make.→ Find Sophia: https://www.instagram.com/sophianoel_Submit your Coworker Confessions…

It's been ~2 years since I've been laid off from my dream job at @Discord, and the most COMMON question you've asked me is: "Have you matched or beaten your tech salary after becoming a creator?"I never liked this question because it's sincerely not apples to apples. I also dislike it when creators say "I made my corporate salary in 1 brand deal!!" Because there are SO many nuances, caveats, tradeoffs, and financial implications when choosing between both paths. But I finally break that down in today's episode of Office Drama.Today, we get UNFILTERED and talk about:→ How I overcame feeling like a failure after getting laid off→ How I felt comparing myself to friends in tech/corporate→ Whether my creator salary matched or beat my tech salary 👀→ How pregnancy and family planning impacts everything→ How I actually figured out how to pivot my career (with my Life PRD)I really don't think these conversations can fit into a 1 min short form video or a 10 min YouTube video, so I hope you enjoy this real, brutally…

I've seen a pattern of senior ICs deciding to quit to bet on themselves, but we rarely get to see what it took to get there.Julia Fei, Sr. Data Scientist at Notion (and my dear creator friend), just made her decision to leave her dream job to pursue something she's always been curious about. But it was a calculated, deliberate decision that she spent years preparing for.In this week's episode of Office Drama, we reveal the inner drama of Julia's thought process and the conversations she's had navigating the transition.In this ep, we talk about:→ why Julia quit Notion when she genuinely loved her team, her manager, and her job→ how to know if you're actually growing or just getting comfortable→ why "stability" is a scam→ the double life of being a creator in tech→ how to build a financial runway for the leap before you're ready to take it→ and how to know when it's finally time to take a risk on yourselfThis episode is for anyone who has done everything right and still felt like they were playing it too safe.…

My old Discord work bestie just got promoted *twice* in one year and I needed to know how he did it without losing himself in the process. Tobi Bisiriyu is a Product Design Manager at Discord and he's one of those rare people who is genuinely great at his job, actually likes it, and still makes work the least interesting thing about him. He cosplays, he goes to anime conventions, he walks one hour every day without exception, and he has a philosophy about life that I think more people in tech need to hear.In this ep, we talk about:→ Why looking competent is actually what's holding junior designers back→ the "contract you write for yourself" and how to know if you're breaching it→ why middle management is actually a "death" trap→ say yes to the scary thing...before you talk yourself out of it.→ being greedy "with integrity" and why it's good to want it all→ and why getting a four in life matters more than getting one at workThis episode is for anyone who is good at their job but wonders if there's a version…

It's been about 2 years and 3 mo since I was infamously laid off from my dream product manager job at Discord. And today, I finally sit with my old manager to talk about life after layoffs. Derek Yang is now a Principal Product Manager at Roblox, and before that he was at YouTube, Twitch, Yik Yak, Facebook, and Discord where he was also my last ever corporate manager. In this ep, we talk about: → What it actually means to "make it" in tech (spoiler: he still doesn't think he has)→ the performance review that humbled him and forever changed → how he approaches his career→ why working hard is not enough and what actually gets you recognized→ what he gave up becoming a new dad→ and why sustainability is his whole era right nowThis episode is for anyone who has ever put their whole heart into their work and still felt like it wasn't enough. Derek is one of the most thoughtful people I know and I learned something new about him even after years of friendship.→ Find Derek on…

Welcome to my new show, Office Drama, where we sit with people obsessed with what they do, learn about the lessons they wish they knew earlier, and reveal the drama within. We interview people across tech, media, and entertainment. We also have a monthly(ish) advice segment called "Coworker Confessions" where you can anonymously submit your work drama, stories, and situations for a second opinion. ➔ Submit here: https://bit.ly/coworker-confessionsCheck out Office Drama every Monday at 8am PT on Spotify, YouTube, and Apple Podcasts! If you like what you see and want to support the show, follow, comment, and rate 5 stars!! ⭐️ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

hii jomies!this is our ill-fated "fail episode." last year eric and i spent literally five hours on a sunday trying to film an episode about work resentment and burnout and every single take just sucked. we tried THREE times and failed every single time.but we had some really good nuggets in there so we chopped it up and pulled out the best parts for you guys. it's kind of a hodgepodge of segments but honestly some of my fave convos came out of it! we talk about someone reaching out to me asking for advice on whistleblowing, dealing with power tripping managers, the weird guilt of going independent, and why we push ourselves so damn hard when we could actually just chill.this episode is proof that not every recording session is a banger and sometimes you just gotta take the L and move on. but also!! the conversations were still valuable and i didn't want them to just... rot. thank u for listening and for being part of this community, it means everything to uslove,chlo & eric See Privacy Policy at…

today, we're taking you for a ride through season 2! this season had some of our favorite moments ever, some really fun guests, reflective moments, and a whole lot of chaos we didn't see coming.here are all our favorite moments in one place. thank you for being here for all of it, jomies... we love you!– chloe & eric 💌 See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

today, we're taking you back to season 1, where it all started!season 1 gave us SO much. here are all our favorite moments in one place. thank you for being there from the beginning jomies, we love you!– chloe & eric 💌 See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

today, jomo is coming to an end. we get into what jomo has meant to us, why we're closing this chapter, and what's coming next. what a ride it's been! jomies, thank you sincerely for your support through the years... we couldn't have done it without ya! love, chloe & eric 💌 See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

today is all about failure. what it actually means, how to handle it, and why your relationship with it will determine how far you go.we get into the difference between failing in your 20s vs. your 30s, what it means to keep swinging for the home run every single time, and why AI is making hard work feel suddenly very fragile.if you catch L's and never know what to do with them... this one's for you.love, chloe & eric 💌p.s. we're so sorry about the wide cam being out of focus this episode! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

today is all about family. the kind you're born into, the kind you build, and what it actually looks like to grow up, work, and create alongside the people who know you best. we sit down with RJ and Jalin Siu to talk about sibling dynamics, their content journey, creative dreams, and what it takes to turn your family into your team. if you've ever wondered what it would be like to do life with your siblings by your side... this one's for you. love, chloe & eric 💌 See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

today is all about how to manufacture luck in your career and why it's less about chance and more about the moves you make *before* the moment arrives. we get into the five key ingredients to luck, the behaviors that kill it, and how to stay motivated when you're doing everything right and nothing seems to be working yet. if you feel like things aren't always going your way... this one's for you. love, chloe & eric 💌 See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

today is all about dating when you're a successful, ambitious woman... and why it's so much harder than it should be.kristin has some of the most insane dating lore we've ever heard. we're talking breakup contracts, rough conversations around net worth, a hawaii date that turned into a job interview, and so much more. it gets crazy. if you're someone who's ambitious and has ever wondered why the green flags always seem to fade... this one's for you. love, chloe & eric 💌 See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

today is all about the "millennial career crisis" — what it is, why so many of us are in it, and what we're actually supposed to do about it.we talked about the "dream" we were sold growing up, the moment you realize the corporate ladder might not be going anywhere good, and how to start building something that actually fits your life instead.if you've ever sat at your desk thinking "wait… is this just it?" — this one's for you.– chloe & eric 💌 See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

today is all about vision boards, life quests, and two very different people trying to figure out what they actually want from the next year (or two). I show up with a full framework,and Eric shows up with his "vibes" and a two-year quest. We are not the same. If you've ever stared down a new year feeling the pressure to have it all figured out, or wondered what it looks like to actually build a life that feels like yours — this one's for you. love, chloe & eric 💌 See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

this is our first real reflection of the current state of our 30s: friendship, comparison, dating, career.today, we talk about: • Why friendships feel deeper (and harder earned) in your 30s• The weird tension between success and comparison• Being ready to date again + reminiscing on old flames 🔥• Getting invited into “big rooms”… and still questioning everything• Our answers to the question: "are we actually happier now in our 30s?" love,chlo & eric See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

today, we unpack the dark side of ambition - what happens when you tie your self-worth to success, why reaching milestones doesn't always bring relief, and our complicated feelings about burnout when we've technically "made it". If you've ever thought "when I get there, I'll finally be happy," this one's for you. this was a moment when I learned about the term "toxic gratitude" where you feel you're not allowed to complain and you should be grateful for the job or position you have. we just quietly suppress our struggles and then we implode by binging manhwa 😳- chlo & eric See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

today is all about unpacking modern career life, side hustles, personal branding, burnout, and why we’re all so tired.is building a personal brand even a real thing? are side hustles empowering - or dystopian - and should you focus more on building something or marketing yourself~we get real about the cost of the grind and how to romanticize your own life despite all the struggle- hope you enjoy this honest conversation about career chaos 🤍 See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝙅𝙊𝙈𝙊 𝙃𝙊𝙎𝙏𝙎 🎙️𝗖𝗵𝗹𝗼𝗲 𝗦𝗵𝗶𝗵 ⁠IG: https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/tech pm turned creator making videos on career, personal growth, and life in your 20s/30s. 𝗘𝗿𝗶𝗰 𝗪𝗲𝗶 IG: https://www.instagram.com/erictwayco-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances @trykarat 𝙎𝙊𝘾𝙄𝘼𝙇𝙎 🌸∙ instagram → https://www.instagram.com/jomo.pod∙ spotify → https://open.spotify.com/show/0sJAtVorz8TsYDzzyM04cq?si=9c913d3e0f2947be∙ apple podcasts → https://bit.ly/jomo-apple∙ tiktok → https://www.tiktok.com/@jomopod∙ discord → https://discord.gg/udRmVpf3Xv∙ patreon → https://www.patreon.com/jomopod See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Both Eric and I are collapsing at the same time. 💀 The grass is always seems greener. Leaving corporate and doing your own thing is sincerely not sunshine and rainbows. Today, we talk about our inner rage, burnout, leadership expectations, being chronically let down, and the impossible transition from IC → manager → founder → creator. You're catching me in a deep spiral from work, hiring, creative overload as a one-woman team. Eric is going through his own burnout, loneliness, and existential crises as a startup founder. But I think we'll somehow get through this. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

today is all about unpacking modern dating, attraction, identity, and energy ft. our very own professional cutie pie jaime / @igumdrop !! in this episode, we cover:1) Jaime decoding how dating actually works (energy, connection, 7 seduction types, and why creators date differently)2) Chloe trying to give dating advice despite having no current dating experience 🫠3) Eric navigating male dating psychology, timing, vulnerability, and self-worth we explore how people connect today, knowing that we're all just so tired of checklists, tactics, and swiping. hope you enjoy this heartfelt chit chat about love! - chloe & eric𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝙅𝙊𝙈𝙊 𝙃𝙊𝙎𝙏𝙎 🎙️𝗘𝗿𝗶𝗰 𝗪𝗲𝗶 IG: https://www.instagram.com/erictwayco-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances @trykarat 𝗖𝗵𝗹𝗼𝗲 𝗦𝗵𝗶𝗵 ⁠IG: https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/tech pm turned creator making videos on career, personal growth, and life in your 20s/30s. 𝙎𝙊𝘾𝙄𝘼𝙇𝙎 🌸∙ instagram → https://www.instagram.com/jomo.pod∙ spotify →…

Today, we're unpacking all the angsty stuff about burnout, success, insecurity, and friendship.The entire episode runs on two parallel arcs:1. Chloe hitting 1 million followers and dealing with the fallout2. Eric trying to keep up emotionally, creatively, and personallyWe discuss how friendships evolve when one friend takes off career-wise, how to stay emotionally grounded, and how to stay connected despite chaos.This is sincerely my favorite episode so far. It's incredibly nuanced, a scary conversation to have, and such an interesting behind-the-scenes deep talk of our inner worlds. Hope you enjoy! love,chloe + eric𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝙅𝙊𝙈𝙊 𝙃𝙊𝙎𝙏𝙎 🎙️𝗘𝗿𝗶𝗰 𝗪𝗲𝗶 IG: https://www.instagram.com/erictway co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances𝗖𝗵𝗹𝗼𝗲 𝗦𝗵𝗶𝗵 ⁠IG: https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/tech pm turned creator making videos on career, personal growth, and life in your 20s/30s. 𝙎𝙊𝘾𝙄𝘼𝙇𝙎 🌸∙ instagram → https://www.instagram.com/jomo.pod∙ spotify → https://spoti.fi/466BRP3∙ apple podcasts →…

Today is about all networking, introversion, power dynamics, and how relationships actually form in professional spaces - especially when you *hate* networking, but know it matters. Both Eric and I have wildly different personalities navigating the same high-power ecosystems, from Cannes Lions to Vidcon, and we get into what it really feels like to move through rooms full of important people, big egos, and invisible social rules.We talk about:✨ how to exist in elite spaces without burning out✨ introvert exhaustion & social hangovers✨ imposter syndrome in rooms you “don’t belong” in✨ the cringe of self-promotion✨ and the tension between being really good at what you do… and being seen for itIf networking has ever made you feel awkward, small, or like you’re playing a game you never learned the rules to - you’re not alone.Sometimes we walk into rooms that weren’t built for us.But we still have to decide how we show up anyway. 💌𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝙅𝙊𝙈𝙊 𝙃𝙊𝙎𝙏𝙎 🎙️𝗘𝗿𝗶𝗰 𝗪𝗲𝗶 - IG: https://www.instagram.com/erictwayco-founder of…

Welcome back to SEASON 2 of the Joy of Missing Out podcast! After a 1 year hiatus, we are finally back. Tysm for your patience. We also did receive plenty of angy comments about why we didn't come back in 2025 😅 but just remember, it's just us doing it from my living room o___o (yes, this is Chloe). Podcasting looks so chill, but the production ops is a monster to do right. I also changed careers, joined a new agency, got married, worked a BUNCH, and tried to produce this pod. I vowed to myself that if it wasn't good, it's not going out. I finally think it's ready to release! Eric and I decided to kick off the first episode with THE WEDDING ✨ This episode is about my wild, overwhelming year (wedding, career explosion, burnout) and Eric's personal chaos (broken foot, heartbreak, startup pressure, loneliness). ChatGPT says: Together, Eric and Chloe talk about friendship under pressure, how distance tests connection, and what it means to come back together after a year that nearly broke both of us. (HAHA wow so…

Try Kittl today! → https://www.kittl.com/create?&utm_medium=collaboration&utm_source=youtube&utm_campaign=chloeshih_22474512833_1 You can use our code JOMOPODYT for 25% off the first month or year of any paid plan (for new users only!) This is goodbye. For now. In this episode we answer your burning questions including: why we're stopping JOMO, what our future plans are, and how is Eric's romantic life going? As Eric said this isn't a period, this is a semicolon. We'll see you again for season 2 :) 𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝙅𝙊𝙈𝙊 𝙃𝙊𝙎𝙏𝙎 🎙️ 𝗘𝗿𝗶𝗰 𝗪𝗲𝗶 (⁠ @trykarat ) - IG: https://www.instagram.com/erictway co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances 𝗖𝗵𝗹𝗼𝗲 𝗦𝗵𝗶𝗵 ⁠( @chloeshih ) IG: https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/ tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s. Editor: Jayna Benito 𝙎𝙊𝘾𝙄𝘼𝙇𝙎 🌸 ∙ instagram → https://www.instagram.com/jomo.pod ∙ spotify → https://spoti.fi/466BRP3 ∙ apple podcasts → https://bit.ly/jomo-apple ∙ tiktok → https://www.tiktok.com/@jomopod ∙ discord…

Try Kittl today! → https://www.kittl.com/create?&utm_medium=collaboration&utm_source=youtube&utm_campaign=chloeshih_22474512833_1 You can use our code JOMOPODYT for 25% off the first month or year of any paid plan (for new users only!) What's the difference between networking and clout chasing? A lot of times you want to meet cool people. But then you get accused of clout chasing. Even though the two things have different intentions, from the outside they can look the same. It's a tricky thing to balance. 𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝙅𝙊𝙈𝙊 𝙃𝙊𝙎𝙏𝙎 🎙️ 𝗘𝗿𝗶𝗰 𝗪𝗲𝗶 (⁠ @trykarat ) - IG: https://www.instagram.com/erictway co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances 𝗖𝗵𝗹𝗼𝗲 𝗦𝗵𝗶𝗵 ⁠( @chloeshih ) IG: https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/ tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s. Editor: Jayna Benito 𝙎𝙊𝘾𝙄𝘼𝙇𝙎 🌸 ∙ instagram → https://www.instagram.com/jomo.pod ∙ spotify → https://spoti.fi/466BRP3 ∙ apple podcasts → https://bit.ly/jomo-apple ∙ tiktok → https://www.tiktok.com/@jomopod ∙…

Going into office can be tiring, but with an office crush it can make you look forward to going to work! With 43% of people married to someone they worked with, your future partner might just be awaiting you there (it's pretty statistically probable!) Some statistics about workplace romances according to Forbes: -43% have married someone they worked with -40% have cheated on their current partner with a coworker -50% report flirting with their co-workers (https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/workplace-romance-statistics/) Try Kittl today! https://www.kittl.com/create?&utm_medium=collaboration&utm_source=youtube&utm_campaign=chloeshih_22474512833_1 You can use our code JOMOPODYT for 25% off the first month or year of any paid plan (for new users only) 𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝙅𝙊𝙈𝙊 𝙃𝙊𝙎𝙏𝙎 🎙️ 𝗘𝗿𝗶𝗰 𝗪𝗲𝗶 (⁠ @trykarat ) - IG: https://www.instagram.com/erictway co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances 𝗖𝗵𝗹𝗼𝗲 𝗦𝗵𝗶𝗵 ⁠( @chloeshih ) IG: https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/ tech product manager sharing perspectives on…

In a time characterized by the prominence social media, Gen Z have been socialized significantly different from previous generations. This may be the reason for their work ethic that Chloe has struggled to work with during her team building endeavors. On the other hand Eric has had only positive experiences, but is this the exception or the rule? 𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝙅𝙊𝙈𝙊 𝙃𝙊𝙎𝙏𝙎 🎙️ 𝗘𝗿𝗶𝗰 𝗪𝗲𝗶 (⁠ @trykarat ) - IG: https://www.instagram.com/erictway co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances 𝗖𝗵𝗹𝗼𝗲 𝗦𝗵𝗶𝗵 ⁠( @chloeshih ) IG: https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/ tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s. Editor: Jayna Benito 𝙎𝙊𝘾𝙄𝘼𝙇𝙎 🌸 ∙ instagram → https://www.instagram.com/jomo.pod ∙ spotify → https://spoti.fi/466BRP3 ∙ apple podcasts → https://bit.ly/jomo-apple ∙ tiktok → https://www.tiktok.com/@jomopod ∙ discord → https://discord.gg/udRmVpf3Xv ∙ patreon → https://www.patreon.com/jomopod 𝘾𝙃𝘼𝙋𝙏𝙀𝙍𝙎 📚 0:00 They said what?? 0:55 crying on the toilet 4:04 Chloe was on…

Cheaters sucks. Finding out you've been cheated on even after it's all over still sucks— which is exactly what happened to Chloe. This leads to the conversation of how does one see multiple people? Even if you're single just trying to get to know people it can feel like you're betraying everyone involved. These things can feel even more stressful as we age and relationships get more serious. Aging can be terrifying, but it's out of our control so the only thing we can do is live our lives to the fullest. 𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝙅𝙊𝙈𝙊 𝙃𝙊𝙎𝙏𝙎 🎙️ 𝗘𝗿𝗶𝗰 𝗪𝗲𝗶 (⁠ @trykarat ) - IG: https://www.instagram.com/erictway co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances 𝗖𝗵𝗹𝗼𝗲 𝗦𝗵𝗶𝗵 ⁠( @chloeshih ) IG: https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/ tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s. Editor: Jayna Benito 𝙎𝙊𝘾𝙄𝘼𝙇𝙎 🌸 ∙ instagram → https://www.instagram.com/jomo.pod ∙ spotify → https://spoti.fi/466BRP3 ∙ apple podcasts → https://bit.ly/jomo-apple ∙ tiktok → https://www.tiktok.com/@jomopod ∙…

From corporate life in our 20s to working in the creator space, we’ve learned a lot from our experiences. This is what we wish we’d known before reaching our 30s. 𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝙅𝙊𝙈𝙊 𝙃𝙊𝙎𝙏𝙎 🎙️ 𝗘𝗿𝗶𝗰 𝗪𝗲𝗶 (⁠ @trykarat ) - IG: https://www.instagram.com/erictway co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances 𝗖𝗵𝗹𝗼𝗲 𝗦𝗵𝗶𝗵 ⁠( @chloeshih ) IG: https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/ tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s. Editor: Jayna Benito 𝙎𝙊𝘾𝙄𝘼𝙇𝙎 🌸 ∙ instagram → https://www.instagram.com/jomo.pod ∙ spotify → https://spoti.fi/466BRP3 ∙ apple podcasts → https://bit.ly/jomo-apple ∙ tiktok → https://www.tiktok.com/@jomopod ∙ discord → https://discord.gg/udRmVpf3Xv ∙ patreon → https://www.patreon.com/jomopod 𝘾𝙃𝘼𝙋𝙏𝙀𝙍𝙎 📚 0:00 we gotta go!! 0:57 Chloe joined the sock gang 2:11 living the life you want 4:14 just f***ing do it 6:52 I like your face 9:22 pickleball partners on tinder? not euphemism 13:47 maybe I have ADHD 17:32 the reality of "I'm Single. Again." 21:32 Chloe…

So a lot has happened since we last met... like Eric met THE Biden. As you can tell it was a crazy week for Eric as he traveled across several states and met lots of people including Fred Liu and the Mr.Beast team. Meanwhile Chloe was having an emotional journey rather than a physical one. There's lots of lessons learned this week, including some great advice from Jimmy and Jaime about handling self-hatred and hiring in the creator space. 𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝙅𝙊𝙈𝙊 𝙃𝙊𝙎𝙏𝙎 🎙️ 𝗘𝗿𝗶𝗰 𝗪𝗲𝗶 (⁠ @trykarat ) - IG: https://www.instagram.com/erictway co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances 𝗖𝗵𝗹𝗼𝗲 𝗦𝗵𝗶𝗵 ⁠( @chloeshih ) IG: / https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/ tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s. Editor: Jayna Benito 𝙎𝙊𝘾𝙄𝘼𝙇𝙎 🌸 ∙ instagram → https://www.instagram.com/jomo.pod ∙ spotify → https://spoti.fi/466BRP3 ∙ apple podcasts → https://bit.ly/jomo-apple ∙ tiktok → https://www.tiktok.com/@jomopod ∙ discord → https://discord.gg/udRmVpf3Xv ∙ patreon →…

Nobody likes to be wrong. Feedback is always difficult whether it be on the giving or receiving side. This week’s episode is a heartfelt one as we share our experiences receiving feedback in our corporate jobs and now giving feedback as the bosses in our creative endeavors. 𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝙅𝙊𝙈𝙊 𝙃𝙊𝙎𝙏𝙎 🎙️ Eric Wei (⁠ @trykarat ⁠) - IG: https://www.instagram.com/erictway/ co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances 𝗖𝗵𝗹𝗼𝗲 𝗦𝗵𝗶𝗵 ⁠(⁠ @chloeshih ⁠) - IG: https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/ tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s. Editor: Jayna Benito 𝙎𝙊𝘾𝙄𝘼𝙇𝙎 🌸 ∙ instagram → https://www.instagram.com/jomo.pod ∙ spotify → https://spoti.fi/466BRP3 ∙ apple podcasts → https://bit.ly/jomo-apple ∙ tiktok → https://www.tiktok.com/@jomopod ∙ discord → https://discord.gg/udRmVpf3Xv ∙ patreon → https://www.patreon.com/jomopod 𝘾𝙃𝘼𝙋𝙏𝙀𝙍𝙎 📚 0:00 fake feedback 1:06 shark socks 2:19 A LOT has happened 3:27 we had a fire 6:00 patreon launched! 8:02 eric reflecting on being…

Today's episode is going to be a judgy one because we are ranking everyone and every situation you can encounter in the tech world. From the person who never has their camera on to the LinkedIn influencers we've seen our fair share of them. We are joined by Chloe's husbando, Kevin, to add the software engineer POV. In our rankings we are not holding back and giving our brutally honest thoughts. From jail to invited to pickleball to a jomie we got all the tiers covered. Get nice and cozy because this is gonna be a wild ride. P.S. the patreon is officially launched🥳 → https://www.patreon.com/jomopod 𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝙅𝙊𝙈𝙊 𝙃𝙊𝙎𝙏𝙎 🎙️ Eric Wei ( @trykarat ) - IG: https://www.instagram.com/erictway/ co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances 𝗖𝗵𝗹𝗼𝗲 𝗦𝗵𝗶𝗵 ⁠( @chloeshih ) - IG: https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/ tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s. Editor: Jayna Benito 𝙎𝙊𝘾𝙄𝘼𝙇𝙎 🌸 ∙ instagram → https://www.instagram.com/jomo.pod/ ∙ spotify →…

so...eric's back on the market. any takers? 👀 jk, but maybe? 🙄 today, eric wanted a lil pow-wow where we talk about our hearts. it's a whole episode around breakups - the good, the bad, and the ugly. and we have our very own recurring guest, kira, back on this special episode!! also kira is finally back online! you can find her at: Kira Lee: https://www.instagram.com/michellekiralee/ 𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝙅𝙊𝙈𝙊 𝙃𝙊𝙎𝙏𝙎 🎙️ 𝗘𝗿𝗶𝗰 𝗪𝗲𝗶 (⁠ @trykarat ) - IG: https://www.instagram.com/erictway co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances 𝗖𝗵𝗹𝗼𝗲 𝗦𝗵𝗶𝗵 ⁠( @chloeshih ) IG: / https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/ tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s. Editor: Kristin Davis 𝙎𝙊𝘾𝙄𝘼𝙇𝙎 🌸 ∙ instagram → https://www.instagram.com/jomo.pod ∙ spotify → https://spoti.fi/466BRP3 ∙ apple podcasts → https://bit.ly/jomo-apple ∙ tiktok → https://www.tiktok.com/@jomopod ∙ discord → https://discord.gg/udRmVpf3Xv 𝘾𝙃𝘼𝙋𝙏𝙀𝙍𝙎 📚 0:00 uh, are we toxic? 0:44 up until 5 am 2:38 kira is now online! ig:…

last week's episode was about the *art* of networking - how to get INTO the group. this week is about how you get kicked OUT of one. it's social faux pas, what NOT to do, and what gives us the ick. 𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝙅𝙊𝙈𝙊 𝙃𝙊𝙎𝙏𝙎 🎙️ 𝗘𝗿𝗶𝗰 𝗪𝗲𝗶 (⁠@trykarat) - IG: https://www.instagram.com/erictway co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances 𝗖𝗵𝗹𝗼𝗲 𝗦𝗵𝗶𝗵 ⁠(@chloeshih) IG: / https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/ tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s. Editor: Lucas Falkavage and Jayna Benito 𝙎𝙊𝘾𝙄𝘼𝙇𝙎 🌸 ∙ instagram → https://www.instagram.com/jomo.pod ∙ youtube → https://www.youtube.com/@jomopod ∙ apple podcasts → https://bit.ly/jomo-apple ∙ tiktok → https://www.tiktok.com/@jomopod ∙ discord → https://discord.gg/udRmVpf3Xv 𝘾𝙃𝘼𝙋𝙏𝙀𝙍𝙎 📚 0:00 no queen, you slay! 0:45 the truth about our patreon... 2:23 eric's filthy toes 3:02 horseback riding with the BOYZ 7:29 feeling better about building this startup 9:30 being with people we don't like 10:04 chloe's events w/ Asian…

“It’s all about who you know.” We’re constantly told to go out there and network, to the point where we feel like we can’t miss a single event. And the million dollar question: what if you're an introvert? From our years in corporate and now the content space, we've been to our fair share of networking events and picked up a few tips along the way. This episode is a dump of the stories, the L's, and insider tips we've gathered on the art of networking. 𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝙅𝙊𝙈𝙊 𝙃𝙊𝙎𝙏𝙎 🎙️ 𝗘𝗿𝗶𝗰 𝗪𝗲𝗶 (⁠ @trykarat ) - IG: https://www.instagram.com/erictway co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances 𝗖𝗵𝗹𝗼𝗲 𝗦𝗵𝗶𝗵 ⁠( @chloeshih ) IG: / https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/ tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s. Editor: Jayna Benito 𝙎𝙊𝘾𝙄𝘼𝙇𝙎 🌸 ∙ instagram → https://www.instagram.com/jomo.pod ∙ spotify → https://spoti.fi/466BRP3 ∙ apple podcasts → https://bit.ly/jomo-apple ∙ tiktok → https://www.tiktok.com/@jomopod ∙ discord → https://discord.gg/udRmVpf3Xv 𝘾𝙃𝘼𝙋𝙏𝙀𝙍𝙎 📚…

Friends - everyone needs them, but why are real ones so hard to find? Spoiler alert: it doesn't get easier once you're an adult. In fact it gets even more complicated once you throw work, spouses, and everyone doing their own thing into the mix. Episode 8 is about the best and worst parts of friendship, from the toxicity and cliques to the people you meet who make all of the drama worthwhile. 𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝙅𝙊𝙈𝙊 𝙃𝙊𝙎𝙏𝙎 🎙️ 𝗘𝗿𝗶𝗰 𝗪𝗲𝗶 (⁠ @trykarat ) - IG: https://www.instagram.com/erictway co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances 𝗖𝗵𝗹𝗼𝗲 𝗦𝗵𝗶𝗵 ⁠( @chloeshih ) IG: / https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/ tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s. Editor: Jayna Benito 𝙎𝙊𝘾𝙄𝘼𝙇𝙎 🌸 ∙ instagram → https://www.instagram.com/jomo.pod ∙ spotify → https://spoti.fi/466BRP3 ∙ apple podcasts → https://bit.ly/jomo-apple ∙ tiktok → https://www.tiktok.com/@jomopod ∙ discord → https://discord.gg/udRmVpf3Xv 𝘾𝙃𝘼𝙋𝙏𝙀𝙍𝙎 📚 0:00 repressed memories 0:36 Chloe is injured 2:06 Eric’s new…

Nothing we do feels like enough. It’s easy to look at someone’s accomplishments on paper and think they have it all...but Episode 7 is all about the mental tax that comes with constantly striving for that next accomplishment. 𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝙅𝙊𝙈𝙊 𝙃𝙊𝙎𝙏𝙎 🎙️ 𝗘𝗿𝗶𝗰 𝗪𝗲𝗶 (⁠ @trykarat ) - IG: https://www.instagram.com/erictway co-founder of Karat Financial, helping creators with finances 𝗖𝗵𝗹𝗼𝗲 𝗦𝗵𝗶𝗵 ⁠( @chloeshih ) IG: / https://www.instagram.com/chloe.shih/ tech product manager sharing perspectives on career, life advice, and living in your 30s. Editor: Jayna Benito 𝙎𝙊𝘾𝙄𝘼𝙇𝙎 🌸 ∙ instagram → https://www.instagram.com/jomo.pod ∙ spotify → https://spoti.fi/466BRP3 ∙ apple podcasts → https://bit.ly/jomo-apple ∙ tiktok → https://www.tiktok.com/@jomopod ∙ discord → https://discord.gg/udRmVpf3Xv 𝘾𝙃𝘼𝙋𝙏𝙀𝙍𝙎 📚 0:00 How to do a *proper* hi five 1:05 life updates - Taiwan, college reunion, writing a life PRD 4:21 Chloe’s course launched… and she has a hater 9:08 Chloe’s act of kindness 11:03 the life of being online 12:01 Eric’s recent acts…