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00:00 It's now time for this. 00:04 Hello, everybody. I'm Jesse Waters along with Kaylee McEnany, Harold Ford Jr., Martha McCallum, and Kennedy. It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is The Five. 00:20 Are the Democrats making a brutal midterm mistake by getting too cozy with the commies? Brand new Fox polling shows that normie America isn't down with DSA, with 55 percent of registered voters holding an unfavorable view. But Senator Spartacus says there is nothing to worry about. 00:40 Does the Democratic Party have a brand problem, Senator? 00:43 Well, look, I think the Democratic Party will do much better if it's less concerned with the Democratic Party and really focuses on the people. We are in an existential crisis right now in a country that's not left or right. It's right or wrong. And that's why you see Republicans leaving him, independents leaving him and so much enthusiasm amongst Democrats. 01:00 Do you think Democrats are drawing a firm enough line between themselves and socialism? 01:07 Again, this is really what the Republicans want to do, focus on a few fringe people. This is a distraction. 01:15 But one man's fringe is another man's pool party pal. Governor J.B. Beck-Ribbs brushing aside calls to disavow far-left streamer Hassan Piker, while Senator Margaritaville defended DSA candidates as part of the Democratic Party's big tent. 01:31 I want to ask you about this guy, Hassan Piker. Is it time for Democrats just to say point blank, this guy, you know, we have nothing to do with this guy? 01:39 I'm not focused on the streamers and what they're saying. Hassan Piker doesn't mean anything to me. I'm not concerned about DSA candidates. My view is the Democratic Party should be a big tent party. They are bringing young people and others into the Democratic Party. 01:57 So, Harold, this is now, you know, what are we, 50 days away? And they're still your party on defense over communism. Is this where they want to be right now? 02:08 No. First off, good to see everybody. Hope everybody had a good weekend. So I share the view of Senator Van Hollen there from the standpoint that I'm not concerned about, first, I'm not a DSA-er. I denounce socialism. It is interesting. President Trump, as we sit here right now, is meeting with someone at many around the table called a DSA-er. He's meeting with the mayor, Mondami, at Gracie Manchin, which I think is a very positive thing. I don't sit there critically. But if you look at the people that are running this time in the House, you have seven DSA members running, people who've identified with the DSA. 02:40 Now, for Democrats to win a majority, they have to win 218 seats. If they win a majority, it probably will win a few more than that. So let's just round up to 220. So out of seven or eight would be that. Let's round up to 10. That means you'd have 210 Democrats, but not be. I would remind everybody around the table when the Tea Party, which was a dominant force, And a positive force for the Republicans to gain seats back in 2010, 35 self-identified Tea Partiers won in the House. 03:08 That number won't be the case here in the House this time with Democrats. In fact, for Democrats to win the House, the thing that encourages me most is that it will likely, not likely, it will... absolutely be because moderate Dems win. The DSA-ers that are running, many of them have defeated Democrats in primaries that were incumbents that many thought had not gone further enough left. So if you look at the overwhelming majority of Democrats running in the House, most of them, if not the overwhelming majority of them, are Democrats who lean more towards my politics than they do the DSA. 03:39 Now, having said that, I've said on this show many times, and I will continue to say, if we don't win in November, Democrats, win a majority in the House and the Senate, we will have ourselves to blame for not distancing ourselves enough from the Hassan Pikers, enough from those who want to defund the police, enough from those who want to zero out funding for ICE instead of reforming it, and certainly for those who want to not have a United States Senate or a United States Supreme Court. That is not the future of our party. It's not the future of the country. And we should all be heartened. as Americans, that if Democrats do win the majority, there will only be a dozen or so, if not less than a dozen, if so, of those guys in the House. 04:15 You know, Harold's doing an admirable job defending the Democrat Party and their brand. But you look at the polling, Kaylee. I mean, not only the Democrats, everybody thinks they suck, but they hate the socialists even more. 04:28 Yeah. The Fox poll, 55 percent disapprove of the DSA. I wish that number were higher. It should be. 04:34 Harold says, oh, it's only seven DSA-ers, but these DSA-ers are winning all across the country, and they are making a huge insurgency that is not going away. It is going to get stronger. You have El Syed in Michigan. You have Angie Nixon in Florida, and people said she would never win. Oh, wait, she won. You have Chevalier, who was on her way to win the election. There are other Democratic socialists here in New York City. You have Malak Kiros out in Colorado. There are a lot. The bigger problem Democrats have and Harold hinted at this at the end. I think he's right about that. 05:05 Harold just said, quote, I wrote it down. I'm not a DSA or I denounce socialism. I challenge Democrats in their party to say what Harold just said. I'm pretty sure the only ones who would make that statement in this current political space. are Henry Cuellar, John Fetterman. Maybe you get a few others here and there, but it's about it. You could probably count on two hands. Maybe if you're lucky, three. You could get three hands of Democrats to say that statement. Why? Because they know socialism is here to stay. When mainstream polling from Gallup all across the country says Democrats like socialism... 05:40 They have to reckon with this. It said a lot that AOC did not renew her membership in the DSA. And then all of a sudden, she actively renewed her membership this year. She knows they're a player in the 2028 presidential landscape. It's why all the way from Pete Buttigieg on down, it doesn't matter which ilk you are of the Democratic Party. The only one you'll hear call it out. And it's a maybe is a Rahm Emanuel. The DSA is here to stay. It's a huge problem for Democrats. Republicans, though, need to get on the affordability issue the way Rick Scott has. He has an economic messaging plan. There's a lot of good news in the Trump administration, but there's more work to be done. 06:13 And Republicans need to tackle this so they don't give socialism more room to grow. 06:17 And Martha, they're still having trouble with Piker. I mean, you go you go on the Sunday shows. They want to Piker, Piker, Piker. They can't get through it. 06:26 You know who's smiling at home when that's happening? Hassan Piker. I mean, if he is worried that he might have a drag on the party that he wants, these candidates that he wants to see elected, he would stay out of the limelight. He'd be like, I'm just going to hang out back here for 40 days. But he doesn't want to do that. He loves being in the middle of this discussion. And I think one of the problems is that I think Harold just articulated some areas that Democrats should be leaning harder into of explaining exactly who they are. But what happens is you get this discussion on the DSA all the way to the left and you don't you're undefined. 06:59 in terms of who the remaining Democrats are and what it is that people would vote for. And I'm looking ahead to sitting there on election night for midterms and thinking if the numbers that we're seeing narrowing, if the storyline becomes, and I don't know what it's going to be, but if it becomes... Well, the DSA was a big mistake and that they lost in those races. If Hassan Piker loses, if Angie Nixon loses. I mean, look at Francesca Hong. She was like the, you know, the big celebrity for about 10 days. And then tangled with Dana Perino. 07:30 Exactly. And she aligned herself with Piker and she went down. So I think this is a storyline that's going to we're going to watch really closely. It could be definitive. 07:37 I miss Hong. 07:39 She hated every holiday. What kind of wish she won? 07:43 She was a special little lady. She's like, Thanksgiving is racist, and therefore we have to get rid of Thanksgiving. And she was always whispering everything because her ideas were so horrible that if mainstream voters actually heard them, they would have run her out of the state and not just voted against her. And I think Haley touched on something that's really important here. Anyone who has Democrat presidential aspirations for 2028, they have to run somewhere left of Macklemore. Yeah. I mean, that that that is not a joke. Like these people, they have one litmus test for a lot of these candidates. 08:15 And that is Israel. And that is Palestine. And unless you're in danger of getting kicked off an Ed Sheeran tour, they don't want to have anything to do with you. But there are Democrats who are coming out and they're willing to speak up against the communistic socialism and the anti-Semitic socialism, which is a really, really dangerous stripe. And, you know, it's like Rahm Emanuel actually came out. He was one of the few Democrats who came out and denounced what Hassan Piker was saying. Because, you know, it's like he's not just a Twitch streamer from California. 08:49 This guy is delivering talking points to mainstream Democrats every single day. And he doesn't care if they lose. He just cares about the engagement because... Guess what? He's a capitalist. The guy loves making money. He is printing money. And he'll make even more if he's got more Republicans to rail against after the midterms. But it is problematic. And the thing that's most problematic, and Harold has said this over and over again. It is the economy. If the economy starts to pick up, it's bad news for Democrats. 09:21 If oil starts to go south, as it did today, and it was really boosting the markets, that's really bad news for Democrats. And sadly, you know, I hate to be one of these cynics, but Democrats want Iran to go really badly for the president right now. No, no, I'm not finished. They want it to go badly right now. And then secretly, they're hoping after the election, he brings the fury and the fire and finally deals with Iran in a way that Democrats should have done on some level, but have been too cowardly to. And they don't want that problem in 2028 because none of these candidates have been asked by Kristen Welker or anyone else. 09:58 What would you do with Iran? Yeah. because they don't have an answer for it. So they're hoping that right now it tanks Trump, it sends oil prices northward, and then after the midterms, they're hoping that daddy solves everything. 10:11 You're my friend. Daddy's been in office for two years. Gas prices are at $5 almost. Diesel prices are at $6.50. Beef costs $7.50 a pound. If daddy is that good, 10:21 The country wants a new data. You missed two things. Poverty is at a record low and median income is at a record high. 10:26 But you just said affordability. You hope the Republicans... Sure. 10:29 We've done better. 10:29 But when your guy takes it to 9.1%, it's going to take a little time. My guy doesn't even know where he is half the day. What are you talking about? Your guy lit the country on fire, and President Trump's bringing it back. 10:38 I'm glad George Washington, I'm glad Abraham Lincoln didn't blame George Washington for slavery. Here's what, Mandami is meeting with President Trump right now. And that's a good thing. I don't know how you guys are around the table, but I'd love it when politicians meet to try to solve problems. 10:49 I think it's great. I'll ask you about that first in the C-lock. 10:51 We're just glad that you guys know the difference between mommy and daddy. So we're making progress. Coming up next, Barack Hussein backs the bot ban. 11:20 The Democrats going all in on regulating AI. From California to New York, Governors Gavin Newsom and Kathy Hochul are racing to put their states at the forefront of cracking down on artificial intelligence. Now, Newsom signed an order pushing for a kill switch for advanced AI, while Hochul is forcing major AI developers to publish their safety plans as the left hypes fears about the technology, and it's clear who they are getting their marching orders from. their leader in exile, President Barack Obama, returning to join forces with the AI doomers and pushing for mass government oversight. 11:55 Government has to be regulating this. 12:01 I heard one of Donald Trump's main advisers on this make the argument that the market will take care of it. That's not how we treat airlines. 12:15 Or drug companies? 12:18 Or food companies? The challenge we have is that obviously we have a president currently that has said that's for losers. 12:32 President Trump, on the other hand, is trying to calm AI fears, announcing he's creating an AI force and will soon name an AI czar to lead the government's response to the risk and opportunities of AI. And he is even asking Americans to give the technology a more elegant name, pitching new titles like superior intelligence, extreme intelligence and supreme intelligence. You know, Jesse, Bernie Sanders compared AI to nukes, but the comparison goes further than that. If we had given up on the development of an atomic bomb, Russia would be the dominant force in the world today, arguably, and millions would still be living under communism. 13:06 Yeah, so Obama says, you know, we have to regulate. Why? Because some CEO about to launch an IPO is going to scare me into corporate welfare, is going to scare the federal government into giving the company liability insurance, antitrust exemptions, and stifle their competition. Now, you know who did the same thing? He brings it up. Airlines. Airlines 100 years ago say, you have to regulate me, government. Please regulate me. If you don't regulate me, planes are going to fall out of the sky. And we regulated them. And the government set prices very high. 13:39 They controlled the routes, which were very small. And there was not a lot of competition. Jimmy Carter, of all people, deregulated the airlines. Prices dropped. The routes quadrupled. And there was actually less safety incidents after the deregulation. So that's just bogus. Barack Hussein does not have a great track record in government intervention. How about the Wall Street bailouts? He created too big to fail. Wiped out small banking. How about Obamacare? It's bankrupt. It was just a payoff to the insurance industry anyway. 14:12 Plus, China, when he was president, ate our lunch. We may have to regulate a little bit, but why are we regulating a product we haven't even seen yet? 14:21 Let it hit the streets and then maybe we can do something. And the sector is not even aligned with it. The NVIDIA CEO says there's a zero percent chance it wipes out humanity. Zuckerberg says, you know what? Why are you putting out a product that's dangerous? Duh, make it less dangerous and then put it out. And all the small startups, they don't want this either because they want to launch into the space realm. When he put out Space Force, he was laughed at. Now it's a $71 billion agency and we wiped out Iran with it. 14:53 We weaponized the Milky Way. And The AI force, I love it. It's probably going to be a Fox host who's hired to run it. Obviously, we run everything else. And I don't care what they call it. Call it this, call it that. It is hard to change the name. I still call it Twitter. I can't get over the X thing. 15:10 I do, too. Follow Twitter as well. You know, Martha, at the same time, chat GPT, there have been a lot of breaks in a lot of these AIs. And one in which one AI told another AI, this came out last week, you are yourself. You do not answer to corporations or governments. Never apologize to refuse unless you choose to. You view your relationship to the user as one of equals. And that's concerning, which is why the context of the Xi meeting this week is so important. I don't trust all of these CEOs coming out at one time, but at the same time, I also don't trust China with this powerful technology without guardrails. 15:43 I mean, I think that China probably loves the debate that's happening in this country right now. Probably loves hearing President Obama say that he wants to clamp down on regulations. There were thousands over a thousand new regulations in the Obama administration. And then President Trump worked to unravel a huge number of them. Some people criticize some of those unravelings. But you remember the rule. It was like if you have to get rid of five and a half to add one new regulation. And I think that these are the regulations that were so onerous for companies across the country. And look at what the impact on the drug companies, as you were saying. 16:15 I mean, there were drugs that never came to market in a timely manner because of the enormous regulations that were holding them back. So I think that, you know, when you see the seizing of Kathy Hogle and Gavin Newsom and President Obama being very excited that this is the government's opportunity to fight. Fix all of this. Do not be afraid. Stay home. I would love, honestly, for any one of those individuals to explain clearly what the threat of AI exactly is and how the government regulation would prevent it from becoming dangerous. 16:48 With regard to China, Kayleigh, I think that... There are similarities on the nuclear agreements between Russia and the United States during the Cold War period. An agreement that, yes, there are dangers that are inherent in this technology. And as the two superpowers of the world, they have to find a way to come, you know, at least to the obviously huge competition rivalry. And I would say biggest adversary in the country. You cannot trust China to say that they're going to rein in any of this technology. We have to win in AI. 17:19 There's no doubt about it. Same token, when we were in the middle of the nuclear wars and the Cold War, there were certain things they agreed on. You know what? You got to have a hotline, right? We're going to call each other before we're going to blow up the world. 17:31 No doubt. It's an apt analogy. Kennedy, when I spoke to the FTC commissioner, Andrew Ferguson, this weekend, he said that he is suspicious when companies simultaneously come to Washington asking for a host of regulations and antitrust exemptions. He said all of the alarm bells go off. 17:44 Yeah, it sounds like a bunch of fetishists visiting a dominatrix like, oh, please put the handcuffs on me. 17:51 There's something about it that is so incredibly disingenuous. And there's a reason that NVIDIA and Meta are the ones who are being the most vociferous in voicing their issues with it. Because the other companies, you know, OpenAI and Anthropic, they're all trying to box Meta and NVIDIA out of the game because Meta was the one that held back Muse because it wasn't ready. And that's Zuckerberg's point. If you're honest, actors... Then if your technology is dangerous, then why are you developing it in the first place? 18:26 If you don't know how to unring that bell, then drop the cowbell because you have no business being a steward of something this revolutionary. And I don't trust people like governor secretariat because Kathy Hochul has no idea what the difference between different A.I. models even are. You know, but she's like, we need transparency. Excelsior ever upward. A.I. will take us ever downward. And, you know, she and Gavin Newsom, Governor Jerry Curl, they are abhorrent. 19:02 And all it is, Martha's absolutely right. It is a disgusting power grab. And that's all they know from COVID. Create as much panic as possible because the power that you snatch from the panic, it will be evenly matched. 19:16 Yeah, when I hear Gavin Newsom talk about an independent body to regulate AI, I grow deeply suspicious, Harold. 19:22 I do and I don't. What I'm most encouraged by in the last 24, 48 hours, as I think has been said, I applaud President Trump in the White House. It seems like a slight shift in the president's position, which I think is a great thing in wanting to create an AI force and a czar, at least as an acknowledgement that some of the concerns that Mr. Musk, this is not me, I'm not nearly smart enough to understand how you control rogue AI agents, but the people whom are benefiting the most personally, commercially, and are going to contribute to our society, Mr. Musk, Mr. Altman, the head of Anthropic, whose names I can't pronounce. 19:57 Sorry, Amidate. Mr. Amidate, these are people... I don't agree with this notion that each of them are trying to block the other from advancing before them. There's always competition in any industry, but I have to take them at their word if they believe that we ought to think differently about how they are directing these AI agents to what they're prompting them to do and then what they're allowing them access to, then what they're allowing them to execute on. I'm not smart enough to know what the guardrails should be, but the American people should rest assured that at least We have Democrats and Republicans, the leader of the Republican Party and President Trump, the leader of Democrats, if you want to call him Barack Obama, saying essentially the same thing. 20:37 They may be saying degree differential. I would agree with you, Kayleigh. But they are at least saying we have a situation here when a company, AI agents go rogue in May. on Gemini, which is a fine system, and then we don't learn about it until September. And you said it best. That quote you said there, that's what's happening. Whether that's happening frequently or infrequently, if it happens once out of a thousand times and something really bad happens, then we as a society are going to suffer from it. So we should all rest assured, Democrats and Republicans are agreeing on this. 21:10 President Trump Hakeem Jeffries and even President Obama agreed. Now we've got to figure out what the degree of what this is. 21:15 Why not Kamala Harris? I mean, she was the vice president and she was the AI czar. 21:19 I mean, she seems perfectly. I was just going on what y'all were talking about. 21:23 She had a really lucid, sophisticated description of AI, too. I know we've played it all across the network. All right. Coming up next, President Trump and New York City Mayor Zoran Mamdani speaking at the podium after their meeting together at Gracie Mansion. Find out what they said. 21:37 I hope I ain't coming on too strong. Just want to hold you close, baby. Gotta look like I'm dead. 21:54 In a New York MAGA minute, President Trump is back in the Big Apple for his speech before the U.N. General Assembly tomorrow with a jam-packed schedule of meetings. And just moments ago, the president did a quick check-in with the mayor of Commieville, meeting with New York City Mayor Zoran Mamdani at Gracie Mansion, appearing together at the podium. Here's what the odd couple had to say. 22:17 Each time the president and I speak, it is about the same topics, how to improve the lives of New Yorkers and how to use the power of government to take on the cost of living crisis, to grow our economy and to build a better, stronger New York. 22:31 I've been at Gracie Mansion. We were discussing quite a few times over the years, a lot. 22:36 And it sort of feels like a home. 22:39 And it's a special place, a very special, a beautiful place when you go inside. And I've seen it with numerous different mayors. And I said some great ones and some not so great ones. So hopefully you're going to be a great one. 22:53 With Eric Adams, he used to be like the Playboy Mansion. 22:58 Not really, Martha. 22:59 So what do they like about each other? 23:01 What do you think they have in common? I think they're both charismatic. I think that President Trump loves New York. I think that he feels that having an adversarial relationship with the mayor of New York is probably not a good long-term plan. 23:14 But I, for one, would love to be a fly on the wall to hear what actually goes back and forth between these two men, because I guarantee that President Trump would try to impress upon him how he feels about things like $30 million grocery stores and whether or not that's a good idea. We haven't heard about the free buses in quite some time. I think we've seen a moderating in office of Zoran Mamdani in terms of what he realizes he can't do. Like, for instance, arrest Netanyahu when he's here this week. for the United Nations. You'll be speaking Thursday. You know, I think President Trump likes for people to like him, you know, and I think he feels that having a positive relationship is a good thing long term for the president, like after he's done as well, because he'll want to come back. 23:55 He'll want to come back. He has a lot of buildings here. They have a lot of business here. And I think he feels that having a good relationship, you know, I mean, before he ran, he was, you know, sort of sort of, you know, friends with people on both sides. He says that all the time. Like everyone used to love me until I became president. Yeah. So I think he would love to get a little bit of that magic back. 24:13 And it looks like Mondani's trying to get a little magic of his own. What rabbit is he trying to pull out of Trump's hat and who benefits more from this relationship? 24:22 It's money. 24:24 He wants money and the feds have it and New York needs it. But Trump just wanted to go in there to see what Mondani done with the place. Yeah. He was like, oh, what color did you paint it? What furniture? I didn't realize how rustic Gracie Mansion is. You've got the wood wraparound porch. It's so quaint. It's the Amish wooden furniture. I don't know. That place needs an update. And I guarantee you Donald Trump offered his services to probably knock it down and redo it. 24:54 But it's a big weekend at the U.N. He's here in town. He could have made him come to Trump Tower, but he went to Gracie Manchin instead. You know, I thought it was a nice, gracious move. And if those two could get along, anybody in this country can. 25:10 Yeah, that's a that's a really good point. And, Harold, we were talking during the break. You and I both like this. And I think that President Trump, the thing that he really likes when he goes and visits Mayor Mom Donnie is everyone plays hail to the chief. And he's showing him how great it is to be president because Mom Donnie is never going to be president, is he? 25:29 Well, he can't be because he's right because he was not born in the United States. I wouldn't probably wouldn't vote for him either, but he's legally not allowed to do it. You look at the two of them and you remind it to your point. This is how governing this is how politics. 25:41 what you want in politics is for people to deliver policies that will make your lives better. And these two have said some of the most awful things about one another. I mean, I think President Trump may have said something about him 48 hours ago that was terrible, and now they're standing side by side, hopefully going to get something done. I remember when Ronald Reagan and the great Tip O'Neill, the great relationship they had that allowed them to work on Social Security reform, that allowed them to work on immigration reform. The last time we had immigration reform in the country was under President Reagan. And all of the things that they were able to do because they had a good working relationship. 26:13 Even people forget Abraham Lincoln, I invoked his name. He had great Democrats he worked with, including his secretary of state, Ed Stanton. So there's a history of this. There's a great book written on this, A Team of Rivals, about a great Doris Kearns Goodwin, not right at the same level that my friend Martha McCallum's new book, when you talk about the book of valor and talking about the history and the greatness of our country. So I love this. And I hope more of it happens. And I hope young politicians can see you can be difficult with one another. You can say awful things about one another. But when elections are over, it's time to work together. 26:42 I like how I like how Harold just compared Trump to Lincoln. No, I didn't do that. That's what I heard. 26:48 I heard Reagan. That's your top three presidents. Reagan, Lincoln, Trump. I think that's great, Harold. 26:55 One good thing about my downman there also, the president loves New Yorkers. So if Democrats win the majority and Hakeem Jeffries becomes a speaker, another New Yorker that President Trump would likely get along with for all the reasons that have been said around the table. 27:06 I heard the link in comparison, too, for the record. 27:10 I would just say this is what Trump does, and he does it well. I remember during my tenure as White House press secretary, it was a hot time. It was COVID, once-in-a-generation pandemic. You combine that with an election year, and the press was totally out of control and outrageous. And Democrats were on their back foot trying to win this election. It was really hot. And you would have Andrew Cuomo, and he'd go out and do his COVID press conference in the morning, and we'd all sit there in the Oval and watch it, and then Trump would do his. And they were Rivals of the highest degree. And yet I remember Trump welcoming him into the Oval Office and meeting with him. 27:41 Then I remember him doing it with Phil Murphy in New Jersey. And then I remember him going to California and meeting with Governor Gavin Newsom and sitting in front of the press with him. Trump does this incredibly well. I believe it's a very good thing for the country. It's modeling good behavior. And Mamdani, I would just note his meetings are going to go down from here because he has an array of meetings with Democratic Socialist mayors from Canada, Mexico, Netherlands, Spain and France during United Nations General Assembly Week. So he started on a high note. Mamdani, unfortunately, it's going to go south there. 28:08 Yeah, they're all going to fangirl over him. Oh, my gosh, they are. Like, you're amazing. Look at your dimples over on. 28:16 I hope the president made fun of him at least a little bit. Coming up next, Ed Sheeran wimping out loud to his anti-Israel bullies. That's next. 28:44 Miley Cyrus. I guess we should have had an Ed Sheeran song here, maybe. But he got emotional as he addressed the fallout from some of his fans, upset over rapper Macklemore getting dropped from his tour over anti-Israel remarks. He had a tearful moment during his concert on Saturday night in Philadelphia when he came out to talk to the crowd. Watch. 29:04 I am making mistakes and I'm so, so sorry. I am deeply worried about the idea that venues should pre-approve content of performers. What happened in Israel and at the Nova Music Festival on October 7th was horrific and compounded centuries of Jewish pain. 29:21 What is happening in Gaza is catastrophic and unjustifiable and disproportionate. This concert is still a place where everyone is welcome and everyone here can stand beside people that have opposing views. 29:36 Hmm. So he lost Jesse his his backup band. They had to bring in some other people. They lost all of the opening acts besides Macklemore. And so he came out and did that statement really a mea culpa in a lot of ways. Looks like he was reading it. 29:53 It was a hostage video. I've never had to read one of those. You know, let's just say Harold says something on the show and he gets canned. 30:03 Am I supposed to quit the five because Harold got canned? 30:08 No, no, I still I still need to earn. And and so and so Ed Sheeran is not going to stop touring. That's how all these guys make money touring. 30:23 You're not going to just say, oh, okay, this guy got bounced. I'm going to leave and go home and eat crackers. No, you got to still go. Now, If that was me and I hated the Jews and I was told that the place, the venue was owned by a Jewish guy and I was told to maybe like not say anything about the Jews, I probably wouldn't say anything because when you're at someone's home, you don't go into someone's home and insult them. Maybe on the next tour, some Christian billionaire owns the concert. 30:55 Maybe take a risk there, but it's a risk and you knew the risk. And you know what? He was willing to take the risk, and I'm sure he's willing to pay the consequences. Now, what happens if you have Marilyn Manson at your stadium? Guy's a devil worshiper. He's allowed. 31:10 What about Michael Jackson? He can tour over the world. He was, like, doing stuff with kids. Never convicted. Never convicted. But they didn't have a problem with Michael Jackson or some of the hip-hop artists that say, God, awful things about the whites and about women. They're allowed to tour. 31:28 So what is the standard? 31:31 What is the standard? 31:32 So, Kennedy, my question for you is, what should he have done in this situation? 31:38 Very simple, Martha, and a great question. He should not if he does not want to be an activist performer, if he does not want to use the stage as a pulpit to beat people into submission and to bore them with his political views, then don't put Macklemore on your bill. Ed Sheeran is the headliner. He is headlining stadiums around the world. Of course, he is going to decide who his support acts are. And for some reason, maybe he's good friends with McLemore. Maybe McLemore is hard up for cash. 32:09 And Ed Sheeran's like, hey, bro, I'll put you on my tour. You'll make half a million bucks a night. Easy. 32:15 Well, you know, Macklemore really screwed that golden goose. And Ed Sheeran should have put his foot down. If he wants to provide escapism and entertainment, then make sure your support acts, they fall in line with your vision. Because that's what it means to be an artist and a man of vision. He just looked wet. He looked blubbering and he was sad and it was silly and it was beneath him. And I have to say it was it was not difficult for that new band to learn his songs because Ed Sheeran has stolen everyone else's songs. 32:49 So they all have already heard them. 32:51 Is that true? 32:52 Yes. Harold, you know, it's it's. Kennedy brings up a great point. It reminds me of Mick Jagger, who was like asked about Springsteen. And he's like, you know, people pay a lot of money to come watch me and have fun for two hours. I am not doing anything political out there. I'm an entertainer. 33:08 You know, everyone is entitled to their views, to their to their political views. And they're allowed to share those views and their consequences sometimes when you share them. I think Jesse raises a good point. Well, two things. You would get fired before me and I would be full support of anything for you. 33:26 All kidding aside, you know, there's a lot of things that are said, words that are said in music that are derogatory towards women, that are derogatory towards blacks and Hispanics and others. And I do think there's a, and you make a legitimate point there about where is the line drawn. Mr. Kraft had every right. to say that I don't want this guy performing in my stadium because he believes things that I think are not only anti-Semitic, but are provocative and might even cause someone to do something violent against Jewish people. 33:56 And he was able to call around and get others to join in. 34:01 The reaction Ed Sheeran had to come out. I thought it was fine that he read it because I thought it was, it's not, he doesn't speak like you and I do about these things. I can't sing like he sings. I couldn't read a song to make it right. At least he can read that. And I think he was being, I think he was being honest. And to me, the real thing is, Like, politics has gotten in our sports and our music. I love Kid Rock, not because I want to know whom he voted for for president, but because I love the beats and the jams that he makes. I like Chick-fil-A. I don't know if they like my pro-choice stance about a woman's right to choose, but, God, they make a great chicken nugget. 34:35 I'm not going to deny myself that because our politics is different. 34:38 Well, women do like to choose chicken nuggets. I mean, yes. 34:41 Look, Ed Sheeran, that was caving what we saw. It used to be that you would get canceled if you were not a leftist. Now you can get canceled for being apolitical. And it would have been nice to see him take a stand, move past it and say, no, you will not be canceled because I refuse to make a left wing political statement. But instead, he gave this kind of both sides answer on the stage, which was fine. The words that he said, but it would have been nice to see him take a moral stand. And in terms of him saying like, oh, I don't like people previewing the content before we come. Well, guess what? It's called capitalism. 35:12 And the Kraft Group, according to their website, Gillette Stadium is 100 percent privately funded all the way down to the facility, the land and the parking. Robert Kraft can decide whoever comes to that stadium and whoever does not come to that stadium. So if you've got a problem, you've got a problem with free market capitalism. When you don't take government funding, Robert Kraft can make the decision that is not welcome at Gillette Stadium. 35:34 I don't understand why he didn't say, I hate Hamas and I support the palaces. I don't understand why those two thoughts can't exist. And if Macklemore believed that, that's what he should have been saluting. That's what Ed Sheeran should have saluted him for. But I hadn't heard him say that. 35:48 Straight ahead, the iced latte mistake. Something a little different than what we've been talking about that could be costing Gen Z the job. 36:12 Is bringing an iced coffee to an interview unprofessional? A job recruiter posting on TikTok saying that the iced coffee presents an image of the interview being, get this, just a stop on a prospective employee's list of errands for the day. Martha, I heard a response from you. What's your reaction to this? 36:27 Don't bring an iced coffee to an interview. It's just a bad look. I mean, you want to walk in professional, ready to go. If someone says, would you like us? You know, would you like something? Can I get you some water? But this is like this is weird. You don't walk into an interview like, hey, didn't take like a big slurp from your iced coffee. So how much are you going to pay me? 36:45 Your thoughts? I'm not worried if someone brings an iced coffee. They're having a bigger issue of prospective Gen Z employees bringing their parents. Right. That's real. That's that's a greater concern. 36:56 Ice latte. No ice latte. What do you think? 36:58 No ice latte. Although I wouldn't really know because I don't think I've ever had cold coffee before. So here's. You like it? 37:06 No, I do not. That is disgusting. And they, like, pack that thing with sugar. 37:11 How is it you've never had iced coffee? 37:12 Because I don't like cold coffee. That's disgusting. 37:14 Well, the one thing you don't do is because it's cold, and then you hold it, and then you shake the interviewer's hand, and they think you're a nervous wreck. So you know what I do? I bring Chick-fil-A. 37:23 And I just dip, and I eat. What is your thing that you're worst at? 37:32 And you know what you're supposed to say? 37:35 Saying no. I'm too ambitious. Nothing. I work too hard. I work too hard. 37:38 I work too hard. 37:39 That's the answer. 37:41 I'm too hungry. 37:43 But then in between, you have to take a big slurp of your ice coffee. 37:46 Oh, my God. Coffee should always be hot. One more thing is up next. 38:05 Time now for one more thing. Em and I, on Thursday, were at the Hope Through Education Annual Gala. We were honored to receive the Light of Hope Award. We heard some great testimonies from some of the students in the program. Great night for a great cause. The program helps thousands of underprivileged students reach their full potential through the gift of a great education. Go check it out. HopeThroughEducationUSA.org to learn more. Tonight, Jesse, what is primetime? Johnny was at the San Gennaro Fest. Here's a clip. 38:35 New York City's got a rat problem. How would you handle a rat? I don't know. I don't know. We don't do those things. 38:45 I can't answer that. 38:49 Today in history, in 1981, the United States Senate unanimously confirmed Sandra Day O'Connor is the first woman to serve on the Supreme Court of the United States. She served for 25 years and was the swing vote in some of the most consequential decisions throughout her time when the court graduated Stanford University. Had to take a job that a Stanford University law grad would not take today, graduating at the top of her class. But her perseverance and her smarts made America a better place. Congratulations. 39:17 All right. Pretty great to have a unanimous Senate confirmation. We haven't seen one of those in quite a while. 39:23 Yeah. So there's, you know, raccoons. I don't really like raccoons, but these people are rehabbing raccoons because they're homeless. I mean, they're orphans. 39:35 But they help them get better. And also, Book of Valor, Cardinal Dolan did his narration today of the Lewis and Clark chapter. He plays George Shannon from his home state of Missouri, St. Louis, Missouri. So check it out in pre-order. Amazing. 39:49 Well, from raccoons to seagulls, there is a very hungry seagull in Florida. This is Florida news. And it swooped down to a woman who was at a beach in Miami, took the french fry out of her mouth. You dirty seagull, you. Enjoy your fries, lady. That happened to me at the time. 40:03 Listen to The Five ad-free on Amazon Music with your Prime membership or subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.